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john mccain, 42%. but colorado switched back and forth, went to president obama 2004 to president bush in 2000 president bush. what is this place now and what is the biggest issue here for folks you hear? >> colorado is a huge bellwether in the intermountain west. it has been for a few cycles. it's a big bellwether for which way the state will go. not always a swing county. it was conservative going back ten years or so. new population in arapahoe county has changed things. folks are moving from other states in colorado. it has a little more liberal in the suburbs here. it's a pocketbook issues, the same thing that you hear in all the swing states. soccer moms and families. who worry about making the budget and holing on to their home. >> bret: both candidate, president and romney have been here a number of times. clearly the campaigns believe that this state is within both grasps. >> absolutely. you look at the amount of time that president obama has spent, be here a couple of days from now for the de
john mccain, 42%. but colorado switched back and forth, went to president obama 2004 to president bush in 2000 president bush. what is this place now and what is the biggest issue here for folks you hear? >> colorado is a huge bellwether in the intermountain west. it has been for a few cycles. it's a big bellwether for which way the state will go. not always a swing county. it was conservative going back ten years or so. new population in arapahoe county has changed things. folks are...
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that was the counter to john mccain. and they haven't done that. and i -- it's going to be difficult for them to do that in the next couple weeks. and going into that last debate where they're going to be talking about this stuff, this is going be an issue, they're going to need to frame that up before they get there or it's going to be difficult for them to have much of a debate among, no, i'm better, i'm worse. >> i feel like we're in an unsustainable spot. these issues are being forced into discussion even if they can't be forced into the politics. i feel like reckoning is coming on this in political terms. john stanton, "buzz feed's" d.c. bureau chief. you do great work. >> pleasure to be here. >>> all right. are you a college student? do you know any college students? do you have any sense of how college students will vote this year if they vote? a bunch of political vigilantes who know how college students are likely to vote this year have figured out how to stop students from doing it. it is a very simple strategy and it is very stupid, and
that was the counter to john mccain. and they haven't done that. and i -- it's going to be difficult for them to do that in the next couple weeks. and going into that last debate where they're going to be talking about this stuff, this is going be an issue, they're going to need to frame that up before they get there or it's going to be difficult for them to have much of a debate among, no, i'm better, i'm worse. >> i feel like we're in an unsustainable spot. these issues are being forced...
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and governor romney is saying that president obama devastated john mccain and one poll said john mccain lost by 33 points in that particular debate. both sides are saying opposition is superior. romney understands this is a big deal. the entire month of october will be dedicated to debates. it could be the most important time of the whole campaign and imaren't voters with what could be the biggest area of information. >>shepard: we will look at the latest polls. this are a lot of them out now. more on how the campaigns are trying to tone down expectations for the presidential debate. if you are a candidate you want expectations as low as possible so when you get up there you look better than you were expected to look, right? [ male announcer ] introducing a reason to look twice. the entirely new lexus es and the first-ever es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection. made gluten-free cereals in a bunch of yummy flavors. like cinnamon chex, honey nut chex, and chocolate chex... we're inereal heaven. so thanks. from the mcgregors, 'cause we love chex. stay top of mind with customers? fro
and governor romney is saying that president obama devastated john mccain and one poll said john mccain lost by 33 points in that particular debate. both sides are saying opposition is superior. romney understands this is a big deal. the entire month of october will be dedicated to debates. it could be the most important time of the whole campaign and imaren't voters with what could be the biggest area of information. >>shepard: we will look at the latest polls. this are a lot of them out...
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what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags, a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. [ male announcer ] the exceedingly nimble, ridiculously agile, tight turning, fun to drive 2013 smart. ♪ overmany discounts to thine customers! [old english accent] safe driver, multi-car, paid in full -- a most fulsome bounty indeed, lord jamie. thou cometh and we thy saveth! what are you doing? we doth offer so many discounts, we have some to spare. oh, you have any of those homeowners discounts? here we go. thank you. he took my shield, my lady. these are troubling times in the kingdom. more discounts than we knoweth what to do with. now that's progressive. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. it contains some of the most devisive class warfare rhetoric ever used by barack obama. that's what journalists have been trying to hid
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what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. [ male announcer ] the 2013 smart comes with 8 airbags, a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. [ male announcer ] the exceedingly nimble, ridiculously agile, tight turning, fun to drive 2013 smart. ♪ >>> you're about to see it for the first time. it contains some of the most devisive class warfare rhetoric ever used by barack obama. that's what journalists have been trying to hide for years. it's a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama and it's one that all americans need to pay close attention to. >> that was fox news tonight. "huffington post" released tape of echoing the remarks about 47% of the country not taking responsible for their lives. paul ryan's remarks were that it was 30% of the country. they do not believe in the american dream and just believe. tucker carlson played at the time it came out, but they are newl
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. >>> coming up, senator john mccain joins us on set. also, senator chuck schumer, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and tom brokaw. >>> up next, mike allen up next with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> happy october, everyone. this is the month of change weatherwise, where we start to cool things off in a hurry and start to watch the leaves coming down. as we head through this month, expect a much cooler month than we've had in months past. we're looking at the middle of the country especially with below-average temperatures as we go throughout the first two weeks. now, as far as this morning goes, two big storms on the map. one has been plaguing northern new england all weekend long. the other one has been plaguing the deep south. they're both on the move today. and we are going to watch that rainy weather spreading. also severe storms are possible once again in alabama into georgia from atlanta to birmingham to montgomery, maybe even some isolated tornadoes. we'll kee
. >>> coming up, senator john mccain joins us on set. also, senator chuck schumer, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and tom brokaw. >>> up next, mike allen up next with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> happy october, everyone. this is the month of change weatherwise, where we start to cool things off in a hurry and start to watch the leaves coming down. as we head through this month,...
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john mccain beat george bush here by 20 minutes in that prime rare re. bush retooled his message and barely won new hampshire by talking about the debt and the deficit. gregg: kevin in 2010 the last election there, if i understand it, if i recall correctly i think republicans won almost every office, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen that way this year, the pendulum could begin to swing in the other direction? >> that's correct. we had the largest republican sweep for a legislature of any state in the country in 2010. four years earlier in 2006 the democrats took control of the legislature at all levels of power for the first time since the civil war. we are used to this pendulum swinging back and forth. 2000 goes to george w. bush narrowly. 2004 john kerry wins the state narrowly. it was an anomaly when barack obama won in swaeut by almost ten points against john mccain but it was because he talked about taxes and the deaf sits. i go back to these eupbzs. he not only said i won't raise taxes for people earning $250,000 he said aoeult cut the de
john mccain beat george bush here by 20 minutes in that prime rare re. bush retooled his message and barely won new hampshire by talking about the debt and the deficit. gregg: kevin in 2010 the last election there, if i understand it, if i recall correctly i think republicans won almost every office, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen that way this year, the pendulum could begin to swing in the other direction? >> that's correct. we had the largest republican sweep for a...
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john mccain took heat as he tried to portray barack obama as a washington insider. >> an energy bill loaded down with goodies. it was sponsored by bush and cheney. you know who voted for it, that one. you know who voted against it, me. >> of course, sometimes it is not what you say but what you do that gets you in trouble. go back to 1960. vice president richard nixon had recently gotten over a bout with an infection that left him looking shaky. kennedy looked healthy and strong. when kennedy won nearly half said the debate played a role in the decision. al gore was criticized for sighing and rolling his eyes while debating george bush in 2000. and then capped it off with this moment. >> it is not what your philosophy and position on issues but can you get things done. and i believe i can. >> that's funny. i'm sorry. you hear this next one repeated many times. it came from ronald reagan during his debate with jimmy carter. reagan posed a simple question. >> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> four years later president reagan was 73 facing concerns about his age, an i
john mccain took heat as he tried to portray barack obama as a washington insider. >> an energy bill loaded down with goodies. it was sponsored by bush and cheney. you know who voted for it, that one. you know who voted against it, me. >> of course, sometimes it is not what you say but what you do that gets you in trouble. go back to 1960. vice president richard nixon had recently gotten over a bout with an infection that left him looking shaky. kennedy looked healthy and strong....
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governor romney is taller than john mccain. actually 7 inches. mommy is 6-foot 2 inches tall senator mccain 517 inches and this time president obama is the shortest at 6-foot 1 inch and seven may be his lucky number he is also seven years younger than senator mccain but still 14 years older than obama first of all, street stocks closed with gains encouraging economic news dow jones industrial average of auto plants smb of five and nasdaq 15. adp better than expected 162,000 jobs this services sector at expanding the fastest europe and china pushes crude oil prices lower dropping at $88 the biggest decline in four months hewlett-packard's stock is down 13% after meg whitman predicted earnings will fall 10% next year. turning to the debate william joined by the chair reince priebus. -- . things looks at. i am ready that. >> i will sneak in candy bars and enjoyment on may setting the country straight. the president is conning the country the economy is then the ditch the debt is out of control. everything he promised four years ago across america ha
governor romney is taller than john mccain. actually 7 inches. mommy is 6-foot 2 inches tall senator mccain 517 inches and this time president obama is the shortest at 6-foot 1 inch and seven may be his lucky number he is also seven years younger than senator mccain but still 14 years older than obama first of all, street stocks closed with gains encouraging economic news dow jones industrial average of auto plants smb of five and nasdaq 15. adp better than expected 162,000 jobs this services...
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early voting favored barack obama over john mccain by 18 points. 58% to 40%. this year, 27 states and washington, d.c., will he early in-person voting prior to election day. the cpaig are eatan early voting participation at around 40% this year. two out of every five ballots will be filled out before november 6th in this election cycle. today is truly the beginning of the end of the presidential election. butneanditesn m erition to take advantage of the new voting in this dynamic thing we call american democracy. here's a look at mitt romney's field offices in iowa. the romney camp pass 12 outposts acro the hawke state. w te ak a pde obsern. his field operation in iowa. the obama campaign has 66 of these outpost offices. the president's campaign has a 5 1/2-1 advantage over mitt romney when it comes to operation in iowa fed rent h campaigns. this is where campaigns stage the get out to vote efforts and organize volunteers. today, "the new york times" reported from polling places in iowa and found mostly outsken obama supporters. >> do you think that the romney
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john mccain had that opportunity and decided not to do it. >> i think you do it subtly and go to the credibility thing -- >> greta: you do it without getting caught. do you it without getting caught? >> i don't see him being asked about this tomorrow. >> greta: i don't know. but it will be interesting. of course, you will be watching our midnight show, right? stand by, panel. we will be back. but up next, the presidential debate is like a big job interview. what does governor romney have to do to be hired? the world's most famous boss, donald trump is here. in 90 second, have you seen part of president obama's speech. what do you think of that controversial speech? we will give you another look. then we want to hear from you. it is just 90 seconds away. are you ready ? share everything by turning your smartphone into a mobile hotspot for up to 8 wifi-enabled devices at no extra charge. like the new droid razr m by motorola only $99.99. >> greta: president obama goes off script and now he is taking lots of heat. now you have seen it, candidate obama in 2007, in a passionate speech to
john mccain had that opportunity and decided not to do it. >> i think you do it subtly and go to the credibility thing -- >> greta: you do it without getting caught. do you it without getting caught? >> i don't see him being asked about this tomorrow. >> greta: i don't know. but it will be interesting. of course, you will be watching our midnight show, right? stand by, panel. we will be back. but up next, the presidential debate is like a big job interview. what does...
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just ask john mccain who made his own last-ditch effort. >> there's just one day left until we take america in a new direction. we need to win in pennsylvania tomorrow. with your help we will win. >> reporter: now, it's unclear what kind of resources romney would put into pennsylvania when asked whether the campaign would buy any ads here, romney aide said that is for the romney campaign to know and for the obama campaign to worry about. but getting back to that phone call, wolf, between romney and prime minister netanyahu, mitt romney just briefed reporters on his campaign plane just about half an hour ago about that conversation. he said netanyahu did talk about that red line on where he would try to draw a line on iran's nuclear weapons program. and romney said he offered his own comments on the issue but wouldn't go into any greater detail than that. and also it's also interesting to note, wolf, romney was asked on the plane about any current assessments on how the president and how the white house is handling the diplomatic attacks in libya, the investigation into those diplomatic atta
just ask john mccain who made his own last-ditch effort. >> there's just one day left until we take america in a new direction. we need to win in pennsylvania tomorrow. with your help we will win. >> reporter: now, it's unclear what kind of resources romney would put into pennsylvania when asked whether the campaign would buy any ads here, romney aide said that is for the romney campaign to know and for the obama campaign to worry about. but getting back to that phone call, wolf,...
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and jomana, stay safe. >>> senator john mccain is a long-time supporter of freedom for libya. he supported president obama's action to remove gadhafi. he's been critical of how the administration has handled the benghazi aftermath. we spoke earlier today. take a look. what do you make of the response by the administration in the early days, ambassador rice, and now what they're saying now, they're now saying it was a terrorist attack. the president did use the word terror early on in the rose garden, but we heard from ambassador rice, who is saying link this to the video that's been released. what do you see as going on? >> i see a fundamental misunderstanding in the larger picture and then on the smaller picture. on the smaller picture, they were either incredibly naive or willfully deceiving the american people. i don't know which, but to think an attack of this nature with heavy weapons, mortars, and a very sophisticated direct fire and indirect fire, that somehow that could be the result of a spontaneous demonstration is just impossible for me to understand. >> let me just
and jomana, stay safe. >>> senator john mccain is a long-time supporter of freedom for libya. he supported president obama's action to remove gadhafi. he's been critical of how the administration has handled the benghazi aftermath. we spoke earlier today. take a look. what do you make of the response by the administration in the early days, ambassador rice, and now what they're saying now, they're now saying it was a terrorist attack. the president did use the word terror early on in...
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stated plainly what was obvious to many, including senator john mccain, who joins us shortly, almost from the beginning. >> as we determined the details of what took place there and how that attack took place, that it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack. >> the best we can tell, this is the first time any administration official has uttered the word "planned" to describe what happened. asked how long it took to reach his conclusion, secretary panetta said quote, it took awhile once information from benghazi came back. but keeping them honest, multiple sources now tell "360" that officials knew this was a terror attack almost from the get-go within 24 hours. at least intelligence officials. yet this is what they were saying for more than a week publicly after the killing. >> it's important to know that there's an fbi investigation that has begun, and will take some time to be completed. that will tell us with certainty what transpired, but our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that in fact, what this began as
stated plainly what was obvious to many, including senator john mccain, who joins us shortly, almost from the beginning. >> as we determined the details of what took place there and how that attack took place, that it became clear that there were terrorists who had planned that attack. >> the best we can tell, this is the first time any administration official has uttered the word "planned" to describe what happened. asked how long it took to reach his conclusion,...
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we saw the last go-round with obama and senator john mccain. mccain seemed a little uncomfortable, stiff there in that format, and the president walked around and seemed casual and comfortable making a connection with the audience. how important is that? >> it's everything. i mean, the master of this form is bill clinton. in fact, it was clinton in 1992 that kept saying i want more town hall forms because he can have such a great interpersonal relationship with people. he -- clinton can lock on somebody. he felt like he was talking directly at you. if you really think about what barack obama's problem was the last debate, he kept looking down at his notes and seemed to not really engage either romney or the moderator, for whatever his reasons. this time it's going to be different. he will be talking to the voter, so you really want to go right at them and talk to them as if you're their best friend. i would be studying, if i were both of them, bill clinton tapes. >> some analysts say that they thought the president perhaps misjudged here becaus
we saw the last go-round with obama and senator john mccain. mccain seemed a little uncomfortable, stiff there in that format, and the president walked around and seemed casual and comfortable making a connection with the audience. how important is that? >> it's everything. i mean, the master of this form is bill clinton. in fact, it was clinton in 1992 that kept saying i want more town hall forms because he can have such a great interpersonal relationship with people. he -- clinton can...
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in 2008 barack obama took florida, the majority of seniors voted for john mccain because they were hesitant how the health care reform would take place. talking about ryan and medicare and seniors, it comes down to florida. >> florida, florida, florida, david. she is right about one thing. if you look at the poll, the one area where you see consistent movement poll after poll after poll toward barack obama has been with senior citizens. you know as well as i do, they are a consistent voting block. they go to the polls in larger percentages. has the obama administration been successful at branding the medicare plan of the republicans as voucher care and are senior citizens moving away because they're afraid of the medicare changes? >> the ryan budget plan existed in terms of the 2010 election when republicans won 65 plus seniors by 21 points. part of the dynamic that exists here is, in fact, seniors are really unhappy with president obama's health care plan. what you see is this significant concern handling medicare, four years ago republicans would lose that by 25 points. now it's down in l
in 2008 barack obama took florida, the majority of seniors voted for john mccain because they were hesitant how the health care reform would take place. talking about ryan and medicare and seniors, it comes down to florida. >> florida, florida, florida, david. she is right about one thing. if you look at the poll, the one area where you see consistent movement poll after poll after poll toward barack obama has been with senior citizens. you know as well as i do, they are a consistent...
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senator john mccain is here. he is -- he holds, i guess, an esteemed position of having -- mitt romney and barack obama. we want to talk about that, but, as you know, the world is seeing in libya, certainly in afghanistan, in places like that, have been chaotic recently with americans tragically killed. we want to get some updates from him about that as well. >> candy, it's always great seeing you. thank you for joining us. keep it here for candy's program "state of the union." it starts nine minutes from now precisely. 9:00 a.m. eastern time, 6:00 a.m. on the west coast right here on cnn. >> great one liner. from president reagan to vice president gore, comedian dean joins me to talk about some of the funniest and most memorable moments. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you engineer a true automotive breakthrough? ♪ you give it bold new styling, unsurpassed luxury and nearly 1,000 improvements. introducing the redesigned 2013 glk. see your authorized mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-be
senator john mccain is here. he is -- he holds, i guess, an esteemed position of having -- mitt romney and barack obama. we want to talk about that, but, as you know, the world is seeing in libya, certainly in afghanistan, in places like that, have been chaotic recently with americans tragically killed. we want to get some updates from him about that as well. >> candy, it's always great seeing you. thank you for joining us. keep it here for candy's program "state of the union."...
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and even bigger gap than 69/31 what president obama beat john mccain among latinos in 2008. look, this is a problem in this election for republicans, andrea, but a bigger problem in 2016, 2020 and beyond. the hispanic community is obviously a young community, it's a growing community, it's a community that's going to register to vote more in line with their population numbers in years to come. republicans simply cannot lose the hispanic vote by 40, 50 points. they can't even lose it by 20 points. people like jeb bush, marco rubio who you showed earlier they understand that. i think the party needs to have a reckoning with where they are in immigration and courting hispanics. numbers like that, mitt romney maybe can win with a number like that, possibly nationally, but i will tell you in 2016, 2020 and beyond the party nominee will be hard pressed to win losing hispanic business that kind of margin. >> and finally, how big a deal is joe biden saying that the middle class has been buried for the last four years? >> yeah. >> republicans are going to make a big deal out of it. >
and even bigger gap than 69/31 what president obama beat john mccain among latinos in 2008. look, this is a problem in this election for republicans, andrea, but a bigger problem in 2016, 2020 and beyond. the hispanic community is obviously a young community, it's a growing community, it's a community that's going to register to vote more in line with their population numbers in years to come. republicans simply cannot lose the hispanic vote by 40, 50 points. they can't even lose it by 20...
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when the economy imploded, john mccain's advisors say his campaign collapsed along with it and never recovered. historians say in order for an october surprise to have a real 11th hour impact, it has to feed into a narrative that already exists, whether it's carter's ineffectiveness or questions about mccain's credentials on the economy. >> it's not so much that suddenly eureka, this is so surprising, so amazing, but rather, people nod yes, this is where we thought things were going. >> it's possible we may have already seen this election year's october surprise. maybe it was how the candidates reacted to tragedy in libya and the broader unrest in the mideast or maybe it was mitt romney's now infamous 47% remarks, or perhaps one or both of the campaigns is holding damaging information about the other, or there will be an unforeseen event on the world stage. it's hard to say, since if we could guess, it would not be called an october surprise. dana bash, cnn, washington. >> we shall see what happens. >>> up next, he was by the iranian president's side last week during his visit to the
when the economy imploded, john mccain's advisors say his campaign collapsed along with it and never recovered. historians say in order for an october surprise to have a real 11th hour impact, it has to feed into a narrative that already exists, whether it's carter's ineffectiveness or questions about mccain's credentials on the economy. >> it's not so much that suddenly eureka, this is so surprising, so amazing, but rather, people nod yes, this is where we thought things were going....
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in '08, part of the reason the president won was his people were way more enthusiastic than john mccain's. >> we heard enthusiasm on the republicans side last year and now it's down to turn out. people are voting right now. today. they're starting to vote tomorrow this ohio. our supporters are camped out at polling places and thousands more democrats voted in iowa last week than republicans. that's the way we've built this organization on the ground for the past 500 days. we're ip venvesting in a ground organization. >> we'll hit pause there, but going to be talking a lot to both of you in the next 30 some odd days and still to come, another campaign issue. taxing marijuana to fund schools. it could move the needle. on this presidential election. that is no joke. plus, violence in afghanistan rising as the war is winding down, but it isn't stopping. a father, a mother and a son from deploying together to the war. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tabl
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just as he was for john mccain and george w. bush. the news isn't too surprising. he's not alone. more than a few team owners in major sports are politically involved. there can be a backlash from these kinds of political stands. famous quote from 1990. michael jordan was asked to support a democratic candidate for senate, declined at the time saying republicans buy shoes, too. currently the owner of the charlotte bobcats and raises money for president obama. i don't think he's all that concerned at this point in his life and career that people will alienate him because of his political choices. >> back in the day, he was selling a lot of shoes. maybe that was the reason for that comment. a.j. hammer, thanks so much. he will be back with us in the next hour for more showbiz headlines. >>> the man behind the viral individu video sits down to talk about his breakdown and hospitalization. >>> one credit card company is paying out hundreds of dollars to each of its card holders. it's not because they racked up a bunch of reward points. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some peo
just as he was for john mccain and george w. bush. the news isn't too surprising. he's not alone. more than a few team owners in major sports are politically involved. there can be a backlash from these kinds of political stands. famous quote from 1990. michael jordan was asked to support a democratic candidate for senate, declined at the time saying republicans buy shoes, too. currently the owner of the charlotte bobcats and raises money for president obama. i don't think he's all that...